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02:35:49 PM Presentation on the Goose Creek Correction Center by the Department of Corrections
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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 24, 2011                                                                                          
                         2:33 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:33:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   called  the  Senate   Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 2:33 p.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Lesil McGuire, Vice-Chair                                                                                               
Senator Johnny Ellis                                                                                                            
Senator Dennis Egan                                                                                                             
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Joe Thomas                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Joseph  Schmidt,  Commissioner, Department  of  Corrections;                                                                    
Jeff  Stark,  Attorney,  Department of  Law;  Kevin  Worley,                                                                    
Internal   Auditor,   Department  of   Corrections;   Leslie                                                                    
Houston,  Director of  Division of  Administrative Services,                                                                    
Department  of Corrections;  Deven  Mitchell, Debt  Manager,                                                                    
State Investment Officer, Department of Revenue.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ted   Leonard,   Executive   Director,   Alaska   Industrial                                                                    
Development and  Export Authority; Brian  Bjorkquist, Senior                                                                    
Attorney General, Department of Law.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^Presentation on  the Goose Creek  Correction Center  by the                                                                    
Department of Corrections                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:35:49 PM                                                                                                                    
Co-Chair Stedman informed the  committee that the department                                                                    
had  been requested  to relay  the history  of the  project,                                                                    
discuss the original Senate bill  that created the endeavor,                                                                    
and  lay out  the objectives  of the  facility. He  hoped to                                                                    
examine  the process  of the  project in  order to  identify                                                                    
which objectives had, or had  not, been met. He expected the                                                                    
department to  present the anticipated impact  of the prison                                                                    
on the  operating budget. He  remarked that the  Goose Creek                                                                    
facility  was  a  large capital  budget  project  with  many                                                                    
economic  factors.  He   felt  that  background  information                                                                    
concerning  the  project  would  be  necessary  for  a  full                                                                    
understanding of the endeavor.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:37:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOSEPH  SCHMIDT,  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF  CORRECTIONS,                                                                    
presented   a   PowerPoint  presentation:   "Department   of                                                                    
Corrections   Presentation  on   Goose  Creek   Correctional                                                                    
Center"  (copy on  file).  He stated  that  the Goose  Creek                                                                    
Correctional  Center  (GCCC)  project   began  in  2003.  He                                                                    
displayed  Slide  2 (an  aerial  view  of the  prison,  from                                                                    
August,  2010),  and  stated   that  the  perimeter  of  the                                                                    
facility was to be much  like the maximum-security prison in                                                                    
Seward. He shared  that the prison was  expected to function                                                                    
like  a "city  within a  city,"  and that  the facility  was                                                                    
designed under  the expectation that the  prisoners would be                                                                    
responsible  for  the  various  aspects of  daily  life.  He                                                                    
offered  that  allowing  the  prisoner   to  function  as  a                                                                    
normalized  member of  the prison  community  would help  to                                                                    
lower prisoner recidivism rates.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:39:35 PM                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
Commissioner Schmidt  discussed Slide  3, "Goose Creek  at a                                                                  
Glance":                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     · Consist of five buildings with 435,000 square feet                                                                       
        on 150 acres.                                                                                                           
     · Maximumimum security-like perimeter.                                                                                     
     · Provide 1,536 beds for medium security sentenced                                                                         
        inmates.                                                                                                                
     · 1,280 General Housing                                                                                                    
     · 128 Special Management Unit                                                                                              
     · 56 Administrative Segregation                                                                                            
     · 56 Punitive Segregation                                                                                                  
     · 16 Medical Segregation                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     · Employ a staff up to 345.                                                                                                
     ·  Inmates participate in the everyday responsibilities                                                                    
        and operations of the facility (mail, kitchen,                                                                          
        laundry, etc.).                                                                                                         
     · On site medical clinic.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
 He  stated that  the  higher-cost  56 Punitive  Segregation                                                                    
beds had  been positioned in  the center of the  compound in                                                                    
order  to aid  in  the  event of  an  overflow on  pre-trial                                                                    
housing needs.  He explained  that prisoners  navigating the                                                                    
pre-trial  process  tended  to  be more  hostile  and  would                                                                    
benefit from  the isolated  housing environment.  An on-site                                                                    
medical clinic  would be present  on the grounds, as  well a                                                                    
hospital  unit. The  intent was  to handle  as much  medical                                                                    
business as possible in-house.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:41:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Schmidt  displayed Slide  4, "Opening  of Goose                                                                  
Creek Correctional Center.":                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     ·  Ready  for  occupancy  March,  2012….the  last  four                                                                    
        months of FY 2012.                                                                                                      
     ·  Open with approximately 30 selected prisoners, small                                                                    
        staff contingent.                                                                                                       
     ·  Prisoners  will   move   from   mod-to-mod   testing                                                                    
        electronic systems, intercoms, doors, run kitchen,                                                                      
        laundry.                                                                                                                
     ·  Full ramp-up will begin July 1, 2012 - September 30,                                                                    
        2013 (FY13 - FY14). Transfer of prisoners and staff                                                                     
      recruitment and training paced over 15 months.                                                                            
     ·  Experienced   department   staff   will    have   an                                                                    
        opportunity to transfer to Goose Creek Correctional                                                                     
        Center (GCCC) when it opens.                                                                                            
     ·  Staff  will  be  recruited  and  hired  to  backfill                                                                    
        vacancies. Hiring will occur at institutions                                                                            
        throughout the state.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He stated that  the average growth of  the prison population                                                                    
would fluctuate, and that the  opening plan would need to be                                                                    
modified  accordingly.   He  noted   that  hiring   the  345                                                                    
employees  would be  a challenge,  but that  the recruitment                                                                    
and training programs were strong  and would be a sufficient                                                                    
resource to draw from for hiring purposes.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:43:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Ellis  probed the deeper  impact of the GCCC  on the                                                                    
staff of  already existing facilities. He  expressed concern                                                                    
for the  safety and  security of the  already thinly-staffed                                                                    
facilities.  Commissioner Schmidt  replied  that  in a  2010                                                                    
survey,  67  corrections  officers   (or  one-third  of  the                                                                    
correctional workforce) in the  state had expressed interest                                                                    
in  transferring to  GCCC.   He  relayed  that the  backfill                                                                    
consisted of people from primarily  Anchorage and Seward. He                                                                    
said that the staffing issue was  one of the reasons for the                                                                    
slow ramp-up  to the  opening of  the facility.  He admitted                                                                    
that the issue was a substantial challenge.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Ellis  wondered whether  a  delay  in opening  GCCC                                                                    
would   require    revisiting   the    backfill   procedure.                                                                    
Commissioner  Schmidt replied  "absolutely." He  stated that                                                                    
staff would not  be hired until the  facility was officially                                                                    
open.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:46:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Schmidt said that the department had held in-                                                                      
depth  discussions  concerning  staffing costs.  During  the                                                                    
development of the  staffing model, prisoner classifications                                                                    
had been  examined. In the  state, prisoners  are classified                                                                    
as   minimum/medium  and   closed/maximum.  The   department                                                                    
studied the per day costs  of the minimum/medium facility in                                                                    
Palmer,  and then  a closed/maximum  facility in  Seward, to                                                                    
determine the per day operating  cost for GCCC. He felt that                                                                    
the  cost   would  fall  between   the  Palmer   and  Seward                                                                    
facilities, recognizing  a slight  increase for  the on-site                                                                    
medical offerings.  Palmer Correctional Center  costs $68.52                                                                    
cents  per  day to  operate;  Spring  Creek in  Seward  runs                                                                    
$104.00. Goose Creek was expected  to cost $86.72 to run per                                                                    
day.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:48:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Schmidt  discussed  Slide 6,  "Annual  Average                                                                    
Daily Inmate Population." The  graph reflected the projected                                                                  
daily  inmate  population  for   2012  consisting  of  1,050                                                                    
inmates out-of-state, and 3,895  in-state. The increased in-                                                                    
state number  reflected the additional  64 beds  being built                                                                    
in Kenai. He pointed out  that the population dipped in 2008                                                                    
to 2009, but  that the increased projection  for 2012 seemed                                                                    
realistic.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:49:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Schmidt displayed  Slide 7,  "Projected Inmate                                                                  
Populations for 2013-2014." The slide presented a quarter-                                                                    
by-quarter breakdown  of FY 13 and  FY 14. On July  1, 2013,                                                                    
the  first staff  members would  be moved  to the  facility,                                                                    
hiring processes would be in  action, and training academies                                                                    
would be running. Presented was  a difference of 220 out-of-                                                                    
state inmates  between the first and  second quarters, which                                                                    
reflected the amount of inmates  that could be flown out-of-                                                                    
state in  two airplane loads.  Ideally by the  first quarter                                                                    
of FY 14, the facility should  be at full capacity and fully                                                                    
operational.  The  first   budget  request  encompassing  an                                                                    
entire year would be made for FY 14.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:50:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  pointed out to  the committee that  of the                                                                    
1,536  beds, 1,050  were expected  to be  filled by  out-of-                                                                    
state  inmates.  He  wondered where  the  other  nearly  500                                                                    
inmates  would be  pulled  from. He  queried  the plans  for                                                                    
improvements to  the other facilities named  in the original                                                                    
SB 65, specifically  in Kodiak, Dillingham, Yukon/Kuskoquim,                                                                    
and  Spring Creek  in Seward.  Commissioner Schmidt  replied                                                                    
that  prisoners would  be drawn  from  facilities that  were                                                                    
currently over-capacity.  He admitted  that the  facility in                                                                    
Bethel  presented   challenges  due  to   accessibility  and                                                                    
transportation issues.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Schmidt stated that when  SB 65 was passed, the                                                                    
site at  Goose Creek  had already been  chosen and  that the                                                                    
City of Bethel  had been supportive of the  project. At that                                                                    
time  the  department examined  the  size  and cost  of  the                                                                    
project and  made comparison  with the  needs of  the prison                                                                    
population  throughout  the  state.  After  examination  the                                                                    
project  was downsized  from  2,250 to  1,536  beds. It  was                                                                    
determined that  the facility in Seward  would have adequate                                                                    
space    for   the    closed/maximum   prisoners    if   the                                                                    
minimum/medium population  was moved  to a different  or new                                                                    
facility.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Schmidt  stated   that  another   reason  for                                                                    
downsizing  the project  was  to broaden  the  reach of  the                                                                    
resources. He said Bethel had  been considered for a 120 bed                                                                    
expansion,  but that  a change  in city  council had  led to                                                                    
termination of  the plan.  He stated  that the  city council                                                                    
had  alternated  its stance  on  support  of the  resolution                                                                    
right up to the July 1,  2009 deadline that had been written                                                                    
into Section 5 of SB 65.  He offered that the department had                                                                    
been interested from the beginning  in the Bethel expansion,                                                                    
knowing  the  overcrowding  issues  faced  by  the  facility                                                                    
there.  The department  was currently  focused on  GCCC, but                                                                    
was  anticipating the  future needs  of  facilities in  both                                                                    
Fairbanks and Bethel.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  queried the timeframe for  improvements to                                                                    
the  Bethel  facility. He  revealed  that  he had  met  with                                                                    
department staff  and had acquired documents  that reflected                                                                    
that the expected  completion date of a  Bethel facility was                                                                    
2015,  with  the first  requests  for  funding in  2012  for                                                                    
$16,681,000.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  pointed out  to  the  committee that  the                                                                    
$16,681,000 for  the Bethel  project was  not listed  in the                                                                    
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  agreed that the  funding was not  listed in                                                                    
the  budget, but  had  been listed  on  the Capital  Project                                                                    
Submission and Information System (CAPSIS).                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Schmidt  replied that he understood  that there                                                                    
was  great  need  for  expansion  in  Bethel  and  that  the                                                                    
community had  been close  to supporting  further expansion.                                                                    
He said that  the department had not been  able to reconcile                                                                    
all  of the  issues raised  by the  community in  Bethel. He                                                                    
reiterated that the  facility was overbooked and  in need of                                                                    
expansion.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  reminded  the committee  that  there  was                                                                    
documentation  from  the  department  that  illustrated  the                                                                    
preliminary  plan; the  cost  would be  $143  million for  a                                                                    
completed  80-bed facility  in Bethel.  Also documented  was                                                                    
the need  in Fairbanks  to establish  a 152-bed  facility by                                                                    
2016, and another  200 beds by 2020. He  queried the current                                                                    
plans for  the two facilities. Commissioner  Schmidt replied                                                                    
that  the department  would need  to revisit  those projects                                                                    
during  the  interim.  Presently,  the main  focus  for  the                                                                    
department was the opening of the facility at Goose Creek.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  reasoned  that  the  projects  should  be                                                                    
underway if the  plans had been developed to  meet the needs                                                                    
in  the two  facilities. He  noted that  often many  schools                                                                    
were built  simultaneously in the  state and hoped  that the                                                                    
department was capable  of building more than  one prison at                                                                    
a time.  Commissioner Schmidt responded that  the department                                                                    
was  capable of  building two  prisons at  a time,  but that                                                                    
GCCC was the focus at present.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asserted that  in discussions over the last                                                                    
three  years, DOC  had given  assurances that  the needs  in                                                                    
Fairbanks  and  Bethel  would  be  met.  He  pressed  for  a                                                                    
timeline  for the  projects  to  be completed.  Commissioner                                                                    
Schmidt  restated that  the project  lost  inertia when  the                                                                    
community of Bethel voted not to support it.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:58:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman stated  that SB  65 had  expired, but  the                                                                    
needs  highlighted in  the legislation  had  not. He  opined                                                                    
that the  interest of the  department, not the needs  at the                                                                    
Bethel facility,  had expired. Commissioner  Schmidt replied                                                                    
that  the department  was still  aware of  the needs  at the                                                                    
facility in Bethel.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:59:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  wondered how the issue  of overcrowding might                                                                    
be  remedied.  He felt  that  the  department was  taking  a                                                                    
narrow view of  the future by concentrating all  of its time                                                                    
and resources  on one  prison. Commissioner  Schmidt replied                                                                    
that the  department recognized  that the  prison population                                                                    
in  Bethel was  growing, but  that  there was  only so  much                                                                    
money  that the  DOC could  request. He  said that  bringing                                                                    
prisoners  home  was  the  priority.  He  relayed  that  $22                                                                    
million  was  being  spent on  out-of-state  prisoners  each                                                                    
year. He asserted that the  department's main focus had been                                                                    
on  better  reintegration  of prisoners  after  release,  in                                                                    
order to lower recidivism rates.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:01:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  requested  that  the  department  lead  a                                                                    
broader discussion of SB 65.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LESLIE  HOUSTON,  DIRECTOR  OF  DIVISION  OF  ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                    
SERVICES,  DEPARTMENT  OF  CORRECTIONS, discussed  Slides  8                                                                    
through 10: "History of Goose Creek Correctional Center":                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     February 2003 - SB 65 was introduced.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     •This bill was introduced as a financing mechanism to                                                                      
     expand correctional facilities within the state.                                                                           
   •Mandated local governments to bond for construction                                                                         
    of a prison.                                                                                                                
     •Fairbanks 80 bed expansion                                                                                                
     •Bethel 120 bed expansion                                                                                                  
     •Seward 144 bed expansion                                                                                                  
     •Unidentified Region, 1200-2251 bed facility (Mat-Su                                                                       
     selected, Goose Creek site selected)                                                                                       
     •Kodiak Community Jail, 6 bed expansion                                                                                    
     •Dillingham Community Jail, 17 bed expansion                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     •May 2004 - SB 65 passed unanimously.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •July 2004 - Memorandum of Understanding between Mat-                                                                    
     Su Borough, Alaska Housing Finance Corp. (AHFC), and                                                                       
     Department of Corrections (DOC) with the agreement to                                                                      
     develop the prison in the Mat-Su Borough.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Houston  stated that  a  recent  engineering study  had                                                                    
shown that  the facility  at Fairbanks should  be completely                                                                    
replaced  rather  than  expanded.   She  admitted  that  the                                                                    
department  was  behind  on  the  expansion  of  the  Bethel                                                                    
facility,  but  that  it  was "on  the  radar."  The  Seward                                                                    
expansion  had been  determined  to be  unnecessary. It  was                                                                    
found that  more minimum-security  beds were needed  and not                                                                    
maximum-security.  She  shared  that  there  had  been  land                                                                    
transfer issues  regarding the  Seward expansion.  The 6-bed                                                                    
expansion in Kodiak had been  completed on February 4, 2011.                                                                    
The community of  Kodiak had supplied a $2  million match to                                                                    
see the  project to completion. The  state appropriated $2.1                                                                    
million through  the Department  of Commerce,  Community and                                                                    
Economic Development (DCCED).  The Department of Corrections                                                                    
(DOR) was  able to provide  a $300,000 one-time item  to the                                                                    
community to  keep the  old facility  running while  the new                                                                    
one was being built, this  would be an $188,000 increment to                                                                    
the base contract in FY  12. The expansion in Dillingham had                                                                    
not been  realized, but the department  hoped to reestablish                                                                    
a relationship with the community.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:05:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  contended  that  SB 65  had  not  been  a                                                                    
proposal, but a  piece of legislation that  had been passed.                                                                    
He  argued that  since the  passage of  the legislation,  no                                                                    
progress had been made, and  that the facilities listed were                                                                    
in  the same  condition in  2011 as  they were  in 2003.  He                                                                    
suggested a  lack of leadership  from the  administration in                                                                    
addressing the problem.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  highlighted  the  fact  that  there  were                                                                    
locations written  into the legislation  that had yet  to be                                                                    
addressed.  He  pointed  out  to   the  committee  that  the                                                                    
original bill had set the  inflation adjusted total bed cost                                                                    
limit  at $135,000  for  Mat-Su,  Fairbanks, Anchorage,  and                                                                    
Seward.  He  wondered  where  the  department  was  to-date,                                                                    
concerning   the  intent   of   the  original   legislation.                                                                    
Commissioner  Schmidt  replied  that  the  figure  had  been                                                                    
$135,000,  plus inflation.  He said  that the  Department of                                                                    
Law had given DOC  permission to use construction inflation,                                                                    
as  at the  time  construction inflation  was outpacing  the                                                                    
Consumer Price Index (CPI).                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman requested that  documentation of the use of                                                                    
construction  inflation be  submitted to  the committee.  He                                                                    
cited Page 3, Line 14 of SB 65:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     (1)  the average  capital  cost for  all  beds may  not                                                                  
     exceed $135,000 a bed for  (a)(1), (2), (4), and (5) of                                                                  
     this  section and  $155,000 a  bed for  (a)(3) of  this                                                                  
     section,  adjusted for  inflation each  year at  a rate                                                                  
     equal to the percentage  increase in the Consumer Price                                                                  
     Index for  urban wage earners and  clerical workers for                                                                  
     Anchorage,  Alaska, during  the previous  calendar year                                                                  
     as  determined  by  the  Bureau  of  Labor  Statistics,                                                                  
     United States Department of Labor;                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  felt that the language  was quite specific                                                                    
in its  intent. Commissioner  Schmidt assured  the committee                                                                    
that the documentation  of the numbers would  be provided at                                                                    
a later date.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  wondered   how   the  committee   should                                                                    
reconcile the  capital construction  limits of  the original                                                                    
bill as being met, when only  one of the listed projects had                                                                    
been completed.  Ms. Houston  stated that  the cost  per bed                                                                    
outlined in the bill had been exceeded.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:10:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman stated that he  believed that DOC broke the                                                                    
law. Ms.  Houston stated that  the economy changed  from the                                                                    
time that  the bill was passed  to the time that  ground had                                                                    
been broken at Goose Creek.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman offered  that perhaps  the department  had                                                                    
followed  a subsequent  law  that had  changed  the per  bed                                                                    
figure. Ms.  Houston rebutted that  the department  had done                                                                    
everything  possible to  scale back  the project.  She added                                                                    
that when the bonds for the  project were issued in 2008 the                                                                    
economy was severely struggling.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:11:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman revealed that he  was still waiting to hear                                                                    
about the utility costs as laid out in SB 65.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  said the annual  lease payment set  out in                                                                    
SB 65 was 11,600 per bed.  The original Goose Creek plan was                                                                    
for  2,250 beds,  with a  lease  cost of  $15.3 million.  He                                                                    
questioned why  the project now  was at 1,536 beds,  and the                                                                    
lease  cost  had increased  to  $17.8  million. Ms.  Houston                                                                    
could  not speak  to the  lease payments.  She deferred  the                                                                    
question  to  the  Department  of   Revenue  (DOR)  and  the                                                                    
Department of Law (DOL).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  wondered if the downsizing  of the project                                                                    
was a  result of  the lease  payment structure.  Ms. Houston                                                                    
replied that she did not know.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:13:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  if the  department was  comfortable                                                                    
with  the size  of  the Goose  Creek facility.  Commissioner                                                                    
Schmidt felt the facility was the correct size.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:14:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF  STARK, ATTORNEY,  DEPARTMENT OF  LAW, referred  to the                                                                    
issue of CPI versus construction inflation. He stated:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
"I think  there is  a little  bit of  confusion in  terms of                                                                    
what we  did and how we  got to the number.  I don't believe                                                                    
it  was actually  construction CPI  that we  used because  I                                                                    
don't think there is any  such number that's generated. What                                                                    
we did look  at, and what LAW did approve,  was the issue of                                                                    
whether   that  adjustment   went   through   the  date   of                                                                    
essentially signing the contract,  or whether the adjustment                                                                    
should   continue   throughout   the   entire   construction                                                                    
process."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stark  shared  that  he   had  carefully  analyzed  the                                                                    
language of  SB 65.  He said that  the construction  CPI did                                                                    
not use  a different  index and  that it  was a  question of                                                                    
what  period of  time  was  being used  to  measure it.  The                                                                    
department  had  used the  period  of  time up  through  and                                                                    
including  construction.  Estimates  had  been  provided  in                                                                    
terms of how much of  the construction would be completed in                                                                    
each year and no adjustment had  been made for work that had                                                                    
already been completed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:16:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  queried the Alaska  Industrial Development                                                                    
and  Export  Authority  (AIDEA) financing  vehicle  for  the                                                                    
utilities.  He wondered  how the  financing matched  up with                                                                    
keeping  within the  $11,600 per  bed constraint.  Mr. Stark                                                                    
responded   that  the   AIDEA   financing   was  a   complex                                                                    
transaction. The loan was not being  made to the state or to                                                                    
DOC but  to a private  developer. He reminded  the committee                                                                    
that the facility at Goose Creek  was being built by and was                                                                    
owned by the  Mat-Su Borough. The borough put  out a request                                                                    
for  private  developers  to  design,  build,  finance,  and                                                                    
operate  the water  and wastewater  facility.  The idea  was                                                                    
that  the services  provided to  the  facility could  expand                                                                    
into  the broader  community as  the  area developed,  which                                                                    
would spread  the cost  of development to  all users  in the                                                                    
area.   Valley  Utilities   LLC.,  the   current  developer,                                                                    
retained the  AIDEA loan  and will repay  the AIDEA  loan in                                                                    
its entirety. The  DOC was expected to pay  an operating fee                                                                    
to   Valley   Utilities.   The   operating   expense   would                                                                    
incorporate  the debt  service  that  Valley Utilities  will                                                                    
have to pay. He noted that  this would be a one-user utility                                                                    
and DOC  would pay for the  service until the area  saw more                                                                    
development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:19:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman wondered  if all the elements of  SB 65 had                                                                    
been implemented as originally  intended. Mr. Stark believed                                                                    
so. There  were no lease  payments or capital  expenses that                                                                    
were  being made  in  excess due  the  water and  wastewater                                                                    
facilities. The  expenses were operating expenses  and would                                                                    
not  be  considered  a construction  expense.  Although  the                                                                    
operating expenses  would be  high for  the first  few years                                                                    
the expense fit within the framework of the original bill.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:20:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman expressed discomfort  that all the elements                                                                    
of  the original  bill had  been implemented.  He hoped  for                                                                    
further  review.  Mr.  Stark  offered  to  explain  how  the                                                                    
relationship between  the water  and wastewater  utility and                                                                    
the lease facility worked.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:20:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman reiterated that he  was a sponsor of SB 65,                                                                    
and  the  original   intent  was  that  all   the  costs  be                                                                    
calculated  under the  per bed  cost, and  not to  subsidize                                                                    
additional  sub-division  costs.  He asserted  that  if  the                                                                    
prison had  not been  built in the  area, the  utility would                                                                    
have  never existed.  Mr.  Stark agreed.  He  said that  the                                                                    
purpose for  building the prison  had not been  to subsidize                                                                    
other development in the area.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman understood that the  intent had not been to                                                                    
subsidize other development, but that  that seemed to be the                                                                    
current  situation.  He  felt   that  there  were  nefarious                                                                    
actions  being  taken  to  justify   the  financing  of  the                                                                    
project. He stressed  that the intent of SB 65  was that all                                                                    
costs were  to be related  in order  to justify the  per bed                                                                    
cost.  Mr.  Stark  replied  that   in  late  2008,  DOC  was                                                                    
finalizing contracts  with the  state and the  utilities had                                                                    
been excluded  from discussion at  that time. He  added that                                                                    
construction  of  utilities was  not  normally  part of  the                                                                    
construction cost for a prison  facility. The facility would                                                                    
usually  hook   up  to  whatever  facilities   were  already                                                                    
established. Had the  prison been built in  a more populated                                                                    
area, the utility expense would have been alleviated.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  highlighted that the site  for the project                                                                    
was selected in an area  where utilities were not available.                                                                    
He argued  that the facility  should have been  built closer                                                                    
to   available  utilities.   He  voiced   distain  for   the                                                                    
"complicated  financing mechanism"  used to  bring utilities                                                                    
to the site.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked what portion  of the utility costs at                                                                    
Goose   Creek   could   be  directly   attributed   to   the                                                                    
construction  of  the  facility.   Mr.  Stark  replied  that                                                                    
replied  that   only  DOC  would  presently   be  using  the                                                                    
utilities in  the area.  He furthered  that it  was expected                                                                    
that within the next decade  there would be more development                                                                    
near  the facility,  which would  result in  more facilities                                                                    
hooking  up  to  the  utilities.   He  did  not  offer  full                                                                    
confidence concerning the expectation  of development in the                                                                    
area.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  felt that  the department  had disregarded                                                                    
the intent of the law;  the building of the utilities should                                                                    
have been  part of the  construction costs, or  the facility                                                                    
should have  been built near  existing utilities.  Mr. Stark                                                                    
reminded  the  committee  that  DOC  was  not  building  the                                                                    
facility.  The  MatSu  borough was  building  the  facility.                                                                    
Because of the  way SB 65 was structured, it  was not simply                                                                    
a matter of  DOC deciding where the prison  should be built.                                                                    
The decision  of where to  build had been largely  driven by                                                                    
the borough.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:26:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman pointed  out that DOC would  have needed to                                                                    
see  the initial  numbers  and justify  the  cost under  the                                                                    
intent of  the law. He asserted  that it was not  the Mat-Su                                                                    
that  was  in charge  of  making  that decision.  Mr.  Stark                                                                    
replied  that  it  was  the  responsibility  of  the  Mat-Su                                                                    
Borough to solve the utilities problem.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  contended that  it was  the responsibility                                                                    
of  the department  to examine  the  financing mechanism  in                                                                    
order  to  ensure that  the  intent  of  the law  was  being                                                                    
followed. Mr. Stark  said that was correct.  He recalled the                                                                    
2008  decision  to move  forward  with  construction of  the                                                                    
prison,  at  that time  DOC  and  the  borough had  been  in                                                                    
discussions about how to solve  the utility problem. Because                                                                    
they  were  a separate  facility  from  the prison,  it  was                                                                    
decided  that  the utilities  should  be  excluded from  the                                                                    
discussion. The hope was that  discussions would continue as                                                                    
the project progressed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman wondered what decision was made first:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     -Build the facility and worry about the water and                                                                          
     sewer financing later.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     -Work on the financing of the water and sewer and then                                                                     
     build the facility.                                                                                                        
Mr. Stark  replied that the  decision to build  the facility                                                                    
had  been made  long before  the  water and  sewer had  been                                                                    
considered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  understood that lack of  consideration for                                                                    
water  and sewer  must  have presented  a  problem once  the                                                                    
facility was built.  Mr. Stark said yes.  He maintained that                                                                    
the  department's actions  had  complied  with the  original                                                                    
intent of SB 65.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  testified that  as  a  co-sponsor of  the                                                                    
original bill the  department had not honored  the intent of                                                                    
the legislation.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stark stated that DOL  had examined SB 65, and concluded                                                                    
that the  way that  the deal was  structured fit  within the                                                                    
language of the bill.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  expressed   concern  that  the  financial                                                                    
arrangement was  questionable. He  felt that it  should have                                                                    
been  brought before  the  committee  for consideration.  He                                                                    
believed  that the  utilities  discussion  should have  been                                                                    
brought  before both  finance  committees,  as those  bodies                                                                    
hold  the  appropriating  power   of  the  legislature,  and                                                                    
lamented  having  read   about  the  "complicated  financial                                                                    
arrangement" in the newspaper. He  agreed that some creative                                                                    
financing  may be  legal, but  that it  was not  good public                                                                    
process when dealing with the treasury of the state.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:30:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  McGuire echoed  the comments  of Co-Chair  Hoffman.                                                                    
She  felt that  the problem  of regional  balance should  be                                                                    
recognized.  She  shared  that  one  of  the  goals  of  the                                                                    
legislation  had   been  to  recognize  that   the  prisoner                                                                    
population in the state was  growing, which forced the state                                                                    
to send  inmates out-of-state at an  unsustainable cost. She                                                                    
explained that  the original SB  65 discussion  had involved                                                                    
where  inmates were  being transferred  to and  how facility                                                                    
expansion   and  upgrades   across  the   state  should   be                                                                    
addressed.  She expressed  concern that  the department  had                                                                    
not returned  to the finance  committee for approval  of the                                                                    
inflated cost  of the project and  that this had led  to the                                                                    
neglect  of  other regions  of  the  state. She  noted  that                                                                    
Bethel had been targeted  for lowering domestic violence and                                                                    
crimes against children, but that  the prison there had been                                                                    
operating over  capacity since 2003. She  concluded that the                                                                    
intent of the legislature was not being carried out.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:32:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Houston continued with Slide 8: "History of Goose Creek                                                                   
Correctional Center."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     •June 2006 - Site selection process began.                                                                               
          •With a plan to construct a 2,250 bed facility.                                                                       
          •800,000 square feet all under one roof.                                                                              
       •Capable of housing close/maximum prisoners.                                                                             
          •Public hearing and open houses were held.                                                                            
     •June  2007  -  MOA   with  AHFC  expires,  effectively                                                                  
     removing AHFC from project involvement.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •June 2007 -  The decision was made by  DOC to downsize                                                                  
     GCCC to 1,536 beds  and change the classification level                                                                    
     to medium security.                                                                                                        
          •To build a 2,250 bed facility was projected to                                                                       
     cost $490M.                                                                                                                
          •It would mitigate DOC's ability to spread                                                                            
     resources across    the state.                                                                                             
          •The largest prisoner population is medium                                                                            
     security.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked why  the decision  had been  made to                                                                    
downsize  the facility.  Commissioner  Schmidt replied  that                                                                    
the greatest  need was among the  medium-security prisoners,                                                                    
and   that  building   maximum-security  prisons   was  more                                                                    
expensive.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  requested  a  white  page  detailing  the                                                                    
sources  of  inflation  factors  for  the  $11,600  per  bed                                                                    
calculation which  led debt services  to raise the  limit to                                                                    
$17.8 million. Ms. Houston agreed to prepare a report.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:35:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Houston  detailed  Slide 9:  "History  of  Goose  Creek                                                                    
Correctional Center Continued…"                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     •February 2008 - Mat-Su Borough  and DOC execute an MOU                                                                    
     to plan and finance a prison.                                                                                              
     •June  2008   -  Mat-Su  Borough   issues  design/build                                                                    
     request for proposal (RFP) for the prison.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •August  2008 -  Mat-Su Borough  published request  for                                                                    
     qualification  (RFQ)   to  design,  build,   operate  &                                                                    
     finance a water/waste water facility for GCCC.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •October  2008  -  Deputy AG  Tillery  issues  a  legal                                                                    
     opinion  that CPI  for  Construction  Inflation can  be                                                                    
     applied  for services  received during  subsequent time                                                                    
    period; this does not violate SB65 per bed formula.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     •December  2008 -  DOC requests  $20  Million for  FY10                                                                    
     Capital Budget.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  requested  a  copy of  the  October  2008                                                                    
letter  from  Deputy  Attorney General  Craig  Tillery.  Ms.                                                                    
Houston said a copy of the letter would be provided.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman   thought  a   second  opinion   would  be                                                                    
necessary.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  wondered what happened to  the $20 million                                                                    
the department had requested in the FY2010 Capital Budget.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Houston  continued with  Slide  10,  "History of  Goose                                                                    
Creek Correctional Center Continued…":                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     •December 2008  - State of  Alaska Lease  Revenue Bonds                                                                    
     sold  by Mat-Su  Borough  provided  $240,073.2 to  fund                                                                    
     GCCC.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     •May  2009  - Mat-Su  Borough  publishes  a RFP  for  a                                                                    
     contract  to design,  build,  operate  and finance  the                                                                    
     water/waste water facility to support GCCC.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •July  2009 -  DOC  secures $6M  appropriation in  FY10                                                                    
     Capital Budget for utilities and infrastructure.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Houston replied that in July  of 2009, $6 million of the                                                                    
$20  million  request  was  secured.  The  funding  was  for                                                                    
utilities and infrastructure.                                                                                                   
Co-Chair Stedman  asked if the  request had been  reduced by                                                                    
the administration  before submission to the  Capital Budget                                                                    
on December 15. Ms. Houston replied in the affirmative.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  understood  that  the  request  had  been                                                                    
submitted to  the governor for consideration  to be included                                                                    
in the FY2008 budget, and $6  million was put forward in the                                                                    
Capital  Budget.  Ms.  Houston  replied  that  a  multi-year                                                                    
appropriation  had  been  submitted showing  $6  million  in                                                                    
FY2010, $9.5 million in FY2011,  and $4.5 million in FY2012.                                                                    
The  department received  the $6  million and  did not  come                                                                    
back to the legislature the subsequent fiscal years.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:38:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman wondered  why the  additional $13  million                                                                    
had  not  been  requested.  Ms. Houston  believed  that  the                                                                    
project had  been at a  point where  the $6 million  had not                                                                    
been  entirely   allocated.  The  department   examined  the                                                                    
various  utility infrastructure  and road  improvements that                                                                    
needed  to  be   made  and  chose  not  to   return  to  the                                                                    
legislature at that point in time.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked  it was at that  point when "creative                                                                    
financing"  took   over.  Ms.   Houston  replied   that  the                                                                    
department  had  simply made  an  effort  to expend  the  $6                                                                    
million that had been appropriated for the fiscal year.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator McGuire  asked if Valley Utilities  was regulated by                                                                    
the Regulatory Commission of Alaska (RCA).                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:39:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stark responded  that the  RCA would  gain jurisdiction                                                                    
over the utilities once 10 customers were online.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  understood that RCA jurisdiction  would be                                                                    
automatic  once  the 10  customers  were  online. Mr.  Stark                                                                    
responded yes.  He corrected  that it  could be  5 customers                                                                    
and not 10. He said he  would check the number. At the point                                                                    
that  the  determined  amount of  customers  were  on  line,                                                                    
Valley Utilities  would be required to  obtain a certificate                                                                    
from  the  RCA,  who  would ultimately  govern  the  utility                                                                    
rates.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  if   the  utility  line  had  been                                                                    
constructed  in  a manner  for  easy  connection. Mr.  Stark                                                                    
replied in the affirmative.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  requested data  regarding how  the utility                                                                    
line  was engineered  for  expansion.  Mr. Stark  reiterated                                                                    
that the situation was complex.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  countered that the committee  could handle                                                                    
the complexity.  Mr. Stark stated  that the  water treatment                                                                    
system had been  incorporated as part of  the actual prison.                                                                    
The boundary lines  for the prison under  the lease purchase                                                                    
agreement  were altered  for  the  incorporation, and  funds                                                                    
from  the  $240 million  bond  issue  were being  used.  The                                                                    
wastewater facility could someday become a public utility.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:42:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  requested the  sizing  of  the water  and                                                                    
wastewater  treatment facilities,  relative to  the size  of                                                                    
the GCCC. Mr. Stark agreed to provide that information.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  requested information concerning  the size                                                                    
of  the lines  that were  being put  in the  ground for  the                                                                    
water and sewer.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:43:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked if the  department had approached RCA                                                                    
concerning the one  customer use of the utility,  and if the                                                                    
commission  had agreed  that  approval did  not  have to  go                                                                    
before them.  He also asked  if the department  had informed                                                                    
the  commission   that  the  utility  would   eventually  be                                                                    
servicing  additional customers.  Mr. Stark  replied no.  He                                                                    
offered that the requirements could be found in statute.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman wondered why no  one had been in talks with                                                                    
the RCA. Mr. Stark reiterated  that the statute was clear in                                                                    
terms of when the RCAs jurisdiction was invoked.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  queried if  the RCA  would agree  with Mr.                                                                    
Starks opinion.  Mr. Stark countered that  he had assurances                                                                    
from RCA attorneys.                                                                                                             
Co-Chair Hoffman asked if the  agreement had been documented                                                                    
in writing. Mr. Stark replied no.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:44:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Houston  continued with  slide  10:  "History of  Goose                                                                  
Creek Correctional Center Continued.":                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     •March 2010 - Valley Utility proposes to finance the                                                                       
     water/waste water facility using tax exempt private                                                                        
     activity bonds issued by the Mat-Su Borough.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •April 2010 - The State of Alaska Department of                                                                            
     Revenue   expresses   concern   about   issuing   state                                                                    
    supported debt that exceeds the authority of SB65.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  asked if  the  concern  by DOR  had  been                                                                    
issued in writing. Ms. Houston replied yes.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman requested copies of the document.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman requested further  explanation of the lease                                                                    
revenue bonds, particularly, the yield  on the bonds and the                                                                    
potential  cost fallback  against the  state. He  asked that                                                                    
any action taken  to lower the cost to the  state be further                                                                    
explained to the committee.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DEVEN  MITCHELL,  DEBT  MANAGER, STATE  INVESTMENT  OFFICER,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT  OF REVENUE,  thought  that SB  65  had been  the                                                                    
result of the  state being in a weak  financial position and                                                                    
the desire to provide  for infrastructure. The Department of                                                                    
Revenue had  been reluctant  at the  time to  support credit                                                                    
being  used  as  a  means   of  providing  for  funding  for                                                                    
correctional  facilities. The  alternative means  of funding                                                                    
in SB 65,  community bonding, was viewed by DOR  as a way to                                                                    
reach the  goal of building new  correctional facilities. He                                                                    
stated  that in  the end,  the Mat-Su  project provided  the                                                                    
most workable plan. Fairbanks could  not issue revenue bonds                                                                    
without a  vote. Also, the  prison was  in the city  and the                                                                    
borough  was  given the  authority  to  issue the  debt.  He                                                                    
stated  that he  travelled to  Bethel and  explained to  the                                                                    
community that  the state would  be paying the  debt service                                                                    
and would  be liable  concerning obligation issues.  He said                                                                    
that  the Bethel  City Council  had been  uncomfortable with                                                                    
the explanation and had been  unwilling to move forward with                                                                    
the financing. He relayed that  legal issues relating to the                                                                    
original   financing,  land   control,   and  a   collocated                                                                    
wastewater  facility at  Spring Creek  had proved  immovable                                                                    
hurdles in  Seward. Location issues  arose in Mat-Su  due to                                                                    
Mat-Su  borough assembly  requirements.  The  bonds for  the                                                                    
Mat-Su project were sold in late 2008.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell believed  that the delay from 2004  to 2008 had                                                                    
been  related  to DOR's  reluctance  to  participate in  the                                                                    
transaction  during the  Murkowski Administration.  He added                                                                    
that   the   department   had  initially   issued   a   veto                                                                    
recommendation for  SB 65.  The department  changed position                                                                    
with shift  from the Murkowski to  the Palin Administration.                                                                    
In  late  2007  a  design  project  was  developed  but  the                                                                    
department  was not  in a  position to  sell the  debt until                                                                    
late 2008.  He remarked that  interest rates were  very high                                                                    
when the  transaction occurred,  and rates  were met  to pay                                                                    
the lease.  The department was  unable to sell the  bonds in                                                                    
December 2008 and failed to  meet the target of 17.8 million                                                                    
identified in the  bill. At that time, the  $135,000 per bed                                                                    
cap was not adjusted for  inflation and the allowed cost was                                                                    
approaching $280  million. The  $240 million deposit  to the                                                                    
construction  fund was  smaller  than what  would have  been                                                                    
permitted had  the department been  allowed a  larger annual                                                                    
lease payment.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell  furthered  that on  December  21,  2008,  the                                                                    
underwriter  contacted Franklin  Funds, who  was willing  to                                                                    
offer  $60  million  on  the  bonds  as  an  anchor  tenant.                                                                    
Subsequently, the department  was able to fill  out an order                                                                    
book  and successfully  place the  bonds. The  bonds have  a                                                                    
true interest  cost approaching 6  percent. He  admitted the                                                                    
percentage was high, and was  more than would be expected to                                                                    
be paid if it was a  state general obligation bond, but that                                                                    
it  was relative  to the  AAA scales  of 2008.  He explained                                                                    
that 2008 was a troubling time  and that the investor had to                                                                    
look  at  the  Mat-Su  lease revenue  bond  page-by-page  to                                                                    
understand that the state was ultimately responsible.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:52:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell relayed that the  bonds were refinanceable, but                                                                    
had a 10 year call  provision, which meant refinancing could                                                                    
not occur within  the first 10 years of the  loan. After the                                                                    
10th year of  issuance, the last 15 years of  the loan could                                                                    
be refinanced. Currently, there  was no ability to refinance                                                                    
because of  the negative  carry-on the  escrow to  the call-                                                                    
date on an advance refunding basis.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:53:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman wondered  how much  would be  paid on  the                                                                    
bonds in  the end. Mr. Mitchell  replied $442,172,506.88. He                                                                    
added that  the bonds  were sold for  a slight  discount, so                                                                    
less than the par amount was received.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Houston continued with Slide 10.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      •April 2010 - DOC formulates a three pronged strategy                                                                     
    to reduce the annual fees for the water/waste water                                                                         
     facility. (detail of strategy on next slide)                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Houston discussed slide 11: "Three-Pronged Strategy.":                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     1.)  Value Engineering  of the  water  and waste  water                                                                    
     facility.   These  efforts   have   resulted  in   cost                                                                    
     reductions of approximately $2,000,000.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:54:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked how  value engineering  was defined.                                                                    
Mr.  Stark replied  that value  engineering  meant the  cost                                                                    
savings   through  the   construction  process.   Under  the                                                                    
original   request  for   proposal,  Valley   Utilities  had                                                                    
proposed to  construct the entire  water/wastewater facility                                                                    
for $27 million. He added  the project was a "design build",                                                                    
which was a method to deliver  a project in which the design                                                                    
and  construction  services  are   contracted  by  a  single                                                                    
entity.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:55:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Houston continued to discuss slide 11:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     2.)  Use of  alternative funding  sources. The  DOC and                                                                    
     Valley Utilities agreed to break  the project into four                                                                    
     segments. One  of the segments  was funded by  DOC from                                                                    
     existing appropriations;  one segment  was incorporated                                                                    
     into  the   prison  itself  and  funded   from  surplus                                                                    
     proceeds from  Mat-Su Borough's  prison bonds;  a third                                                                    
     segment  from  Valley Utilities  equity  contributions;                                                                    
     leaving  only  the  wastewater treatment  plant  to  be                                                                    
     financed. The amount financed will be about ½ of the                                                                       
     original estimate.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Segment        Pay Estimate  Funding                                                                           
                    Schedule        Source                                                                                
                    Costs                                                                                                   
     Pipeline                                                                                                                 
                    $1,693,477.00  DOC Existing                                                                                 
                                    Approp. FY10                                                                                
                                    GF                                                                                          
     Water                                                                                                                    
                    $5,109,130.28  GCCC Bonds                                                                                   
     Well Field                                                                                                               
                    $1,447,842.04  Valley                                                                                       
                                    Utilities                                                                                   
                                    Equity                                                                                      
                                    Contributions                                                                               
     Waste Water                                                                                                              
                    $14,264,367.5AIDEA                                                                                          
                    8                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     3.) Seek alternative funding sources  to reduce cost of                                                                    
     debt service.  In addition to the  private placement of                                                                    
     the   sale,   several   alternatives   were   evaluated                                                                    
     including direct appropriation.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman wondered  if the  equity contribution  had                                                                    
been  cash. Ms.  Houston believed  that it  was a  loan from                                                                    
Wells Fargo  that Valley Utilities made  directly. Mr. Stark                                                                    
furthered that Valley Utilities  contributed $2 million into                                                                    
the  project.  The   remaining  construction  financing  was                                                                    
coming from  Wells Fargo.  Essentially, AIDEA  was providing                                                                    
"take-out" financing  from Wells  Fargo. The  AIDEA interest                                                                    
rate was  at a  lower rate than  the Wells  Fargo financing,                                                                    
and  AIDEA was  borrowing from  Wells Fargo  on a  quarterly                                                                    
basis as  construction proceeded. Wells Fargo  was providing                                                                    
the  expertise  on  evaluating  the  percent  completion  of                                                                    
construction  and  determining  the  proper  amount  of  the                                                                    
draws.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:57:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Houston displayed  slide 12:  "History  of Goose  Creek                                                                    
Correctional Center Continued.":                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •April 2010 - GCCC Project Committee authorized the                                                                        
     use of up to $5,400,000 in GCCC contingency fund for                                                                       
     construction of the water/waste water treatment plant.                                                                     
     •October 2010  - Valley Utilities  requested permission                                                                    
     to proceed  with the private  placement bond sale  at a                                                                    
     total  interest cost  between 8-9%.  DOC rejected  this                                                                    
     proposal  and  began exploring  financing  alternatives                                                                    
     through  Department of  Environmental Conservation  and                                                                    
     ultimately  AIDEA in  an effort  to reduce  the State's                                                                    
    future debt services component of operating costs.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •December 2010 - AIDEA Board approved financing.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •December 2010  - AIDEA sold AA-rated  bonds publically                                                                    
     that  achieved  a total  interest  rate  of 5.13%.  The                                                                    
     bonds are  supported by a general  obligation pledge of                                                                    
     AIDEA  rather  than  the   State's  credit.  By  acting                                                                    
     expeditiously, AIDEA achieved an  interest rate that is                                                                    
     approximately 1 to  1.5% lower than it would  be in the                                                                    
     market of late-January 2011.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:57:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  referred to Slide  12, and asked  what the                                                                    
justification  was for  the  tax-exempt  bonds. Ms.  Houston                                                                    
believed  that the  tax-exempt bonds  were a  result of  the                                                                    
American Recovery and Re-investment Act (ARRA).                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman asked  if the  tax-exempt  status was  the                                                                    
result  of Valley  Utilities providing  service  to a  state                                                                    
agency.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
TED   LEONARD,   EXECUTIVE   DIRECTOR,   ALASKA   INDUSTRIAL                                                                    
DEVELOPMENT  AND  EXPORT   AUTHORITY  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
replied  that the  bond would  have been  tax-exempt if  the                                                                    
Internal Revenue  Service code  requirements were met  for a                                                                    
"project of this type".                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  asked if  a "project  of this  type" meant                                                                    
building  a  line  to a  state  correctional  facility.  Mr.                                                                    
Leonard clarified that  it meant that the  money was funding                                                                    
a utility that was providing services to a state operation.                                                                     
4:00:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN  BJORKQUIST, SENIOR  ATTORNEY  GENERAL, DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                    
LAW (via  teleconference), added that the  bonds were issued                                                                    
as tax-exempt/private activity bonds.  Under the federal tax                                                                    
code, the ability to issue bonds  on that basis ended at the                                                                    
end of  2010. He did not  know if the tax-exempt  status had                                                                    
been based  on the utility  providing to a state  agency. He                                                                    
said he would consult bond  council and provide an answer to                                                                    
the committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman requested  that the  attorney general  and                                                                    
the  bond council  clarify whether  the  bonds would  retain                                                                    
tax-exempt  status  if  the  utility were  to  be  used  for                                                                    
residential purposes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:02:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bjorkquist  concluded that  as "exempt  facility bonds",                                                                    
the bonds  would be tax-exempt  whether they were  issued in                                                                    
2010 or  2011. He  clarified that  the advantage  of issuing                                                                    
before the end of 2010  was based on the alternative minimum                                                                    
tax code (AMT).  Under ARRA, there were  exemptions from AMT                                                                    
which lowered the  cost of funding by 150  basis points. The                                                                    
state saved  approximately $1.5 million in  interest cost by                                                                    
the issuance of the bonds before the end on 2010.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:04:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Houston  discussed Slide 13, "Department  of Corrections                                                                    
In-State  vs.  Out-of-State   Bed  Cost  Comparison,"  which                                                                    
illustrated  the bed  cost  comparison  through FY2014.  She                                                                    
explained  that the  daily cost  of care  for an  inmate was                                                                    
$136.44  per  day.  The  figure  included  health  care  and                                                                    
rehabilitation programs. The numbers  reflected in the graph                                                                    
on  Slide 13  stripped away  all  expenses but  the per  bed                                                                    
cost.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:04:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  requested  that   graph  be  enhanced  to                                                                    
reflect the other costs in  order to provide a holistic view                                                                    
of  the  cost  comparison.  Ms.  Houston  replied  that  the                                                                    
numbers  would   be  revealed  as  the   presentation  moved                                                                    
forward.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  remarked that  that the in-state  bed cost                                                                    
was  rising  faster  than  the  bed  cost  out-of-state.  He                                                                    
wondered how the other cost compared when added together.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN WORLEY,  INTERNAL AUDITOR, DEPARTMENT  OF CORRECTIONS,                                                                    
shared that DOC  had been asked to  compare the out-of-state                                                                    
versus the cost  of continuing the Goose  Creek project. The                                                                    
department would  be phasing out  the out-of-state  cost and                                                                    
adding in  the Goose Creek  cost. The Department  of Revenue                                                                    
had provided the 2003-2010 numbers  on the rate of return to                                                                    
DOC.   He  discussed   Slide  15:   "Net  Present   Value  -                                                                  
Qualification and Assumptions.":                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •Rate of returns for FY 2011 - 2014 are assumed to be                                                                      
     3%.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •Assumes capital funding was used in full the year of                                                                      
     appropriation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •NPV - cost of out-of-state (OOS) is estimated in                                                                          
     order to calculate; however, the DOC will revisit it's                                                                     
     population management plan if OOS is used for FY 2012                                                                      
     - 2014. Assumes population for OOS will remain at                                                                          
     1,050 as it is uncertain what DOC will have to do in                                                                       
     order to house inmates in excess of 1,050.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •State will continue all bond payments.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •Assumes no additional changes to OOS contract.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •This is subject to change in the event the population                                                                     
     management plan changes or there are significant                                                                           
     changes to the prison inmate population.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     •For NPV calculation, assumes that if GCCC is not                                                                          
     opened, OOS inmate population will continue to                                                                             
     increase. DOC will revisit it's population management                                                                      
     plan.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:06:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Worley  displayed  Slide  16:  "Operating  and  Capital                                                                  
Expenditures,  DOC Costs  - GCCC  Phase-in." The  first line                                                                    
item on the Operating Budget  description chart was the debt                                                                    
service   cost  beginning   in  FY   09.  The   second  item                                                                    
illustrated  the  out-of-state cost  from  FY  03-FY 14.  He                                                                    
pointed out to  the committee that the cost was  shown to go                                                                    
down in FY 14, but at the  same time DOC would be phasing in                                                                    
GCCC. Line item three was  the system expansion cost from FY                                                                    
08 through  FY 14. The  last operating item was  the phasing                                                                    
in of GCCC following  the population management program. The                                                                    
lower half of the chart  contained the Capital Budget items.                                                                    
The first  item was the  future capital request of  $25.2 in                                                                    
FY 13.  Four other capital  projects items were  listed, two                                                                    
related  to  the  Department   of  Commerce,  Community  and                                                                    
Economic Development, and two to  DOR. The total annual cost                                                                    
by fiscal year  was presented on the bottom  line. Costs for                                                                    
FY 13 and  FY 14 were subject to change  based on the prison                                                                    
population management plan.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:08:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  wondered   about  the   pre-Goose  Creek                                                                    
operating cost of  approximately $35 million for FY  09.  He                                                                    
remarked  that  there  was  a   jump  from  $35  million  in                                                                    
operating  costs if  FY 09,  to $71  million in  FY 14.  Mr.                                                                    
Worley replied  that in  order to  figure out  the operating                                                                    
costs  the debt  service cost  had been  added as  the first                                                                    
line item.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  suggested  subtracting the  debt  service                                                                    
from the  total operating  cost. He felt  this would  give a                                                                    
clearer picture of the impact  to the state of opening GCCC.                                                                    
He noted that  the increase in operating cost from  FY 08 to                                                                    
FY 14  was $50  million. Mr.  Worley agreed  that the  FY 14                                                                    
operating cost was projected at $71 million.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman reiterated  that  according  to Slide  16,                                                                    
housing prisoners in FY 08  cost the state approximately $20                                                                    
million, and  would jump to $71  million in FY 14.  He noted                                                                    
that the  department did not have  significant capital costs                                                                    
until  FY 08.  He queried  the plans  for the  $25.2 million                                                                    
request  listed  for FY  13.  Ms.  Houston stated  that  the                                                                    
request   represented   the    full   furniture,   fixtures,                                                                    
equipment, capital list start-up items, and one-time items.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:11:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman wondered if the  numbers were located in SB
65 that reflected  the $20 million to  $71 million increase.                                                                    
Mr.  Worley responded  that if  the debt  service cost  were                                                                    
removed  from the  projected figure  for  running GCCC,  the                                                                    
total operating cost for FY 14 would be $54.2 million.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman probed what the  cost to the state would be                                                                    
for FY  14, if the  facility at Goose Creek  was mothballed,                                                                    
and the  prisoners remained out-of-state. Mr.  Stark replied                                                                    
that currently the 950 out-of-state  inmates cost Alaska $22                                                                    
million to $24 million.  Ms. Houston added that calculations                                                                    
had been  run in the past  on the cost of  mothballing GCCC.                                                                    
The  $22  million figure  would  include  the debt  service,                                                                    
minor  utilities, maintenance  staff, and  private security.                                                                    
Co-Chair Stedman  stressed that  the total cost  to mothball                                                                    
the  facility was  substantially  lower  than the  projected                                                                    
operating cost of the facility.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:14:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Worley  discussed  Slide  17:  "Operating  and  Capital                                                                    
Expenditures,  DOC   Costs-GCCC  Phase-in.",  which   was  a                                                                  
graphical depiction of the information on Slide 16.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:15:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked  for an explanation of  Slide 18. Mr.                                                                    
Worley   replied  that   slide   18:   "Net  Present   Value                                                                  
(NPV)Comparison of GCCC Phase-in  vs. Continuation of Out-of                                                                    
State":                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     •NPV of GCCC phase-in = $317.0                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     •NPV of Out-of-State = $177.3                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Timeframe comparison is FY03 - FY14.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Worley  explained that  the cash  outlay of  each fiscal                                                                    
year had  been taken into  account, as  well as the  rate of                                                                    
return, from FY 03  to FY 10. A rate of  return of 3 percent                                                                    
had been assumed through FY 14.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:17:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  requested   further  explanation  of  the                                                                    
difference between the two projections.   Mr. Worley replied                                                                    
that  the  cost differences  were  the  result of  the  debt                                                                    
services the state  would pay, the GCCC start-up  from FY 10                                                                    
to  FY 14;  both operating  and capital  requests. He  added                                                                    
that  the  NPV of  $177.3  included  the out-of-state  costs                                                                    
starting at $12.1 and rising to $24 million by FY 14.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  understood that the estimated  cost to run                                                                    
GCCC  was $27  million per  year,  it would  cost the  state                                                                    
approximately $400  million over  20 years. He  thought that                                                                    
the numbers on Slide 18  underestimated the actual impact of                                                                    
the cost to  the state. Mr. Worley agreed.  He stressed that                                                                    
the total  value on  Slide 16 for  the timeframe  listed was                                                                    
roughly $427  million compared to  the total cost  of $226.6                                                                    
million for keeping inmates out-of-state.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman offered that GCCC was an expensive project                                                                     
for the state.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:19:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell discussed slide 19: "2008 Matanuska-Susitna                                                                        
Borough Goose Creek Bonds Security and Legal Structure.":                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        · Lease   purchase   agreement  and   ground   lease                                                                    
          executed in  which the  State leases  the facility                                                                    
          from  the Borough  in  exchange  for annual  lease                                                                    
          payments  and  "additional  rent"  equal  to  debt                                                                    
          service   on  the   bonds   plus  operations   and                                                                    
          maintenance costs                                                                                                     
        · -State will  own the facility  once the  bonds are                                                                    
          retired and lease agreement terminated                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        · -The Land on which  the facility is constructed is                                                                    
          currently owned by the Borough                                                                                        
        · Right  to  receive   lease  payments  assigned  to                                                                    
          trustee who acts on behalf on bond purchasers                                                                         
        · -State  pays appropriated  funds  directly to  the                                                                    
          trustee five days prior to each payment date                                                                          
        · Lease   agreement  represents   an  absolute   net                                                                    
          lease/triple  net  lease  in which  the  State  is                                                                    
          responsible  for  all  rent  payments,  additional                                                                    
          rent and operations and maintenance                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
        · Funds  for  repayment  of bonds  are  appropriated                                                                    
          annually by  the Legislature -  principal payments                                                                    
          made to the State are structured semi-annually                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        · Agreements  are subject  to early  termination due                                                                    
          to  an  event  of non-appropriation  or  event  of                                                                    
          default                                                                                                               
        · -Should  the   Legislature  fail   to  appropriate                                                                    
          funds, the  State may vacate  the facility  and be                                                                    
          released  of its  obligations to  make all  future                                                                    
          payments. The trustee  would pursue remedies under                                                                    
          the  lease agreement  including attempting  to re-                                                                    
          let the property. The  State's credit rating would                                                                    
          be downgraded.                                                                                                        
Mr. Mitchell reiterated that the  AIDEA transaction had been                                                                    
subject to  the AMT because  Valley Utilities was  a private                                                                    
operator. Normally,  water systems that were  publicly owned                                                                    
were not subject to the AMT.  There was a holiday on the AMT                                                                    
due to ARRA that AIDEA  took advantage of which had resulted                                                                    
in a savings of 1.5 percent.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:22:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell displayed Slide 20: "Financing Structure.":                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        · Par amount of $244.3 million of Lease Revenue                                                                         
          Bonds priced December 19, 2008                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        · Twenty-five year level debt service with a final                                                                      
          maturity in FY 2033                                                                                                   
        · -Annual lease payment approximately $17.8 million                                                                     
          per year                                                                                                              
        · All in TIC 5.955391%                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        · Cost of issuance $400,000, underwriting cost                                                                          
          $1,172,847.70 ($4.80 per bond), cost of bond                                                                          
          insurance $1,105,431.27, net original issue                                                                           
          discount $1,533,570.95, resulting in project fund                                                                     
          deposit of $240,073,150.08                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        · Yields 35 to 100 basis points over Municipal                                                                          
          Market Data Aaa scale of 12/19/2010                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
        · Standard 10-year call feature                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell relayed that the  2010 general obligation bonds                                                                    
sold in the  first week of December 2010 were  on top of the                                                                    
AAA  scale. The  state  was  upgraded to  AAA  prior to  the                                                                    
transaction of the sale, which  allowed the bonds to be sold                                                                    
into   a  difficult   market.  The   state  of   Alaska  was                                                                    
responsible for the lease revenue bonds.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:23:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  assumed that  the department would  make a                                                                    
capital request  for $25  million for FY  13. Over  the last                                                                    
five  years in  the  supplemental budget  the committee  had                                                                    
added approximately $49 million,  an average of $9.8 million                                                                    
per year.  He stressed  that in-depth discussions  needed to                                                                    
occur  in committee  concerning DOC  expenses. He  expressed                                                                    
the  desire  to work  with  DOC  to lower  the  supplemental                                                                    
budget numbers.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:25:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Ellis  directed  attention  to  Slide  16.  He  had                                                                    
understood during sub-committee  meetings that the furniture                                                                    
and fixtures planned for the  facility would come out of the                                                                    
contingency bond funds.  Ms.  Houston replied that DOC hoped                                                                    
to use  up to $5  million of the contingency  bonds proceeds                                                                    
from the  Mat-Su Borough. She  said that DOC was  looking to                                                                    
request  $1  million for  telecommunications  infrastructure                                                                    
and  $4.5  million  for   inmate  and  administrative  staff                                                                    
furniture.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  requested   detailed   reports  on   the                                                                    
construction contingency and interest reserve accounts.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:26:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  wondered if the costs  were even eligible.                                                                    
He contended  that the costs  should have  been incorporated                                                                    
into  the  per  day  costs  when the  bonds  were  sold.  He                                                                    
requested a detailed breakdown of  the $11,600 per bed cost.                                                                    
Ms. Houston agreed to provide the information.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:27:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Ellis  felt that due  to the remote location  of the                                                                    
facility,  the state  was being  held up  for greater  costs                                                                    
than was anticipated.  He contended that he  would have been                                                                    
reluctant to  co-sponsor a  bill that  left the  choosing of                                                                    
the facility location to a  single community. He wondered if                                                                    
the  remote location  would result  in  the state  incurring                                                                    
extra  cost for  transportation  to  medical facilities.  He                                                                    
recognized  the  plan for  a  medical  clinic on  site,  but                                                                    
expressed  concern about  major medical  needs. Commissioner                                                                    
Schmidt  agreed  to provide  that  the  cost estimations  of                                                                    
transportation for medical purposes.                                                                                            
Co-Chair  Stedman  stressed  that  the  committee  hoped  to                                                                    
achieve  a comprehensive  holistic view  of the  corrections                                                                    
costs to the state.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman made a final  request for information about                                                                    
the  developmental costs  of road  access. Co-Chair  Stedman                                                                    
requested information on design,  engineering, road size, et                                                                    
al.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman thanked the testifiers and discussed                                                                           
housekeeping.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:29:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 4:32 PM.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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